They believe that when the Book of Revelation was completed by the Apostle John about 90-95 AD, the Word of God was complete. Thanks but addressed all points. G.L. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. All systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church has lead to doctrinal errors and corruption without exception and God has not party with them. If someone wanted to Tithe down to a tenth of all they owned & sell or give value of itIm sure they could. I am not in favor of tactics that play on peoples emotions so as to secure a visible result. Thank you for the article, for your love for the King of all Kings. And to top it off you have very strange sayings that I have no idea what they mean, the last half of the verse at Acts 9:5 is an example It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks WHAT! Advanced Search Directory View All Listings Add Listing Sort By: Grace Baptist Church Pastor's Name Timothy C. Johnson Physical Address 487 Hwy. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. Generally speaking, to be Reformed means to have one's roots in the Protestant Reformation of the 16th and 17th centuries. Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. Many churches by this time had come under the domination of the Rome government and had ceased from being New Testament churches. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. This is the biggest wrong teaching of the Churches of Christ, although you have lots of company in this wrong belief, it is still wrong teaching. http://www.bible-truth.org/fundbapt.htm. Dont misunderstand, I believe we are to preach and testify, but, from what I understand no ones blood will be on my hands if they wind up in Hell. The Bible and only the Bible reveals to men how to have their sins forgiven and have everlasting life and heaven. As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. . They will not engage in joint meetings, or evangelistic endeavors, with Protestants, Catholics, or other doctrinally unsound church groups, who do not hold to the fundamental teachings of the New Testament. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. The first Baptist church on American soil was a direct result of the Puritan persecution of true New Testament believers. The church I left about 2 years ago had very nasty tracts in the back of the church that said horrible things about other translations, calling them perversions and so forth and actually saying outright lies about other translations. The bulk of your comments were about the historical background of the Church of Christ movement. I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. Such as The Church of Christ? Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! Why, because it was founded on Gods Word and there is no necessity that it have contact with some other church which belongs to a succession of churches. When and Where Was the First Recorded Baptist Church in History, The Beginnings of the Baptists in America, https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php, http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. Some have pointed to the Anabaptists as the examples of early Baptist churches. p.s. The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. Questions/comments: Pastor Brewer's email: Wprophet@aol.com. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Sir, Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. I think I already addressed that point. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. Blessings & againIm so sorry you were hurt like that you & your family. So you made assumptions based on very little. About. But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals.
Independent Fundamental Baptist Church Hope - Chapala lago, Patzcuaro Actually what should have been first was the erroneous teaching that water baptism has anything at all to do with ones salvation, it does not! Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. Also, I support tithing personally. The powertrip, which is all Ill call it, was even noticed to be among some of the laypersons who were ushers, or just people who knew people. All others miss-use the name. I saw Jesus there and the Holy Spirit! Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) Again Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. Enter city. God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. I am personally done with religion If asked what religion I am, my standard answer is christian even though I am still attending a little Baptist Church. The Great Awakening stirred religious interests in the colonies and a reported great revival took place. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. When I told my Church of Christ neighbor that the Scripture tells us to worship God with musical instruments, she said Thats Old Testament, but in the New Testament it says to sing, making melody in your heart to the Lord. And she said that means that your vocal chords are the instrument. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH. Here ar ethe key words: ought to have done without leaving the others undone, which would mean that tithing is good. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs.
Spencer Smith on Instagram: "I was saved at 18 at an independent http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. In determining who were the first Baptists, you must first identify who you are referring to. So, IT IS in the New Testament! Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). I see through to the intensions of this site. He is much better at it than we are. We had an elderly woman that lifted her hands and shouted to the Lord the entire service before she went home to be with Him. Would you agree with me on this? The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. I will not post here again. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23) Priesthood of the Believer. All Independent Baptist Church The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church - Monaca, PA No Reviews Favorite Claimed? Visit Pinterests profile on Pinterest. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me.
The Official Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rulebook However, history is clear that in the beginning and into the 9th Century there were churches in Britain that rejected pedo-baptism, popery and other false doctrines of the Catholics. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. He believed the only way to recover was to form a new church based on the Bible.
Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the 16:18, concerning preserving the institution of the local church, that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Doctrinally sound New Testament churches have always existed from the time of Christ and the Apostles until today. I would love to know your thoughts on the matter. I am not trying to be overly critical and yet I only have a certain amt of time to get to my points and while doing that I often come across that way, so forgive me. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. Pastors Deserve Double Salary? We have the freedom to give as much as we like, without any compulsion. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. How can you not see that? The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. A comprehensive Independent Baptist Church Directory listing over 8000 churches. Many Protestant denominations still hold to the writings of their church fathers as a source of church doctrine and have never accepted the Bible as their sole source of teachings for their faith and practice, which is a foundational teaching of Catholicism. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.?
The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement A couple of things to consider here, first he was speaking to Pharisees, and they were in fact still under law. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. Many Baptists were executed by the newly formed Church of England during what is called the Protestant inquisition. Yes, we do preach not to be unequally yolked with non-belivers and I agree with that. Thank you. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. Lynne, We are looking for passionate defenders of the faith and offer a viable alternative to New Evangelical and compromising mission boards. A new church opened their doors here recently, stating they are an IFB church. After taking in many of their services and listening to the self-ordained Pastor, and now reading this article, Ive come to some conclusions. Please excuse me. After working for a few hours in our home, the Dish tech stopped working and looked at me asking, Am I correct in believing this is a Christian home I am working in? I said yes. Ask these five questions of any church, and if they can answer all five in truth with a yes, then you will have a true Baptist church. After Roger Williams stepped down, Thomas Olney took over as the pastor of the church in Rhode Island. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? It is the clergymen who are affiliated. Even after Williams left it, it continued to follow the New Testament and was not adversely effected. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. Lynne, Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. The influx of these falsely converted pagans is one reason Roman Catholicism came to have so many idolatrous and pagan beliefs. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious.
What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist Church? All youve done is pull some verses out of context and manipulated them to fit your point of view. Calvary Chapels do not believe that baptism is necessary for membership in a local assembly. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. From there, entering into an IFB church really gave me a culture shock. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot . I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. Do you think you can bring others to Christ in this manner? I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. This again cannot be proven from history. Listening To The Critics A Response To James Ach, 56. So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. I cannot know. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. 2. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament.
What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists - Truth and Song Ivor Church is the only one I know of where you can virtually come as you are. I think most people would agree with me on this. Since there is no membership at CCs, the congregation neither votes a pastor in, nor can vote their pastor out, if necessary, unlike a Baptist church. Hope this clears up some confusion. The magistrates found their order was becoming unpopular and impossible to enforce so the church in the future was left unmolested. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. In a biblical church the pastor is the overseers or leaders of the congregation. I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. And that homeless man that shows up every few weeks may have truly accepted Christ in the past, but events of life led to his downward spiral. That shows your lack of emotional maturity. Its ugly and frustrating. Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. I am Presbyterian and we had a discussion on Christian doctrine. when the apostle Peter was fishing he stripped and was naked while he was fishing (John 21:7). Would you say Calvary Chapels are unbiblical and not fundamental? Using the KJV only is not the problem. Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. Adulterous generally hide their actions. God richly bless you and Merry Christmas! For example these same people existed when He taught to look upon a woman with lust was Adultry & not just the physcial act. It is an important part of the church. Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. May God bless Bob. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. Thats all. Because Knolleys refused to baptize infants and preached against it he was banned from the colony by the famous Puritan governor Cotton Mather. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. We don't have enough information about nwbbc.com safety, we need to dig a little deeper before we make the call. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. Many of the TV evangelists and all of the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches promote teachings which are not Biblical. The Baptist bases his authority solely on the Bible itself. It is also true that we have a responsibility to tell people about the gospel message, especially those who we have contact with. For example, we had Dish installed in our home a few weeks ago. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. Most of the Anabaptists successors became the Mennonites, Amish and Quakers. Further, suppose that a Bible somehow was to fall from the plane and the inhabitants of this isolated land were to be able to pick up that Bible and read the text for themselves. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word "officer" is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) In 395 AD, Emperor Contantius Christianized Rome and made the worship of idols punishable by death. Im sure you realize all this, but I thought I would throw my voice in it. Smyth, believed the only real apostolic succession is a succession of Biblical New Testament truth, and not of outward ordinances and visible organization such as the Church of England or the Roman Church. Tithing was never supposed to be for the maintenance of the house of God. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. Headquarters are in Grandville, Michigan. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. This is not to say there were no Baptists in Britain earlier, but that this began a line of churches whose history can be traced. Find fundamental, conservative churches in your area. They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? Ok how about some peace Blessed are the peacemakers I apologize for my abrasive writing style and did not purposely write to offend you, but make no mistake, someone can be dunked until they know every minnow by name, but that doesnt make them saved. The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. BTW, my Church of Christ neighbor and I were good friends, and looked out for each other. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. But this article simply exposes the Baptist system as just another denomination among tens of thousands. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention. VICTORY BAPTIST CHURCH. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. If I wanted to tithe I wouldnt know where to go, because tithes were paid to a levitical priest. Thanks and may God bless. People sin, and people attend churches. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. God said He would preserve His church and that task was not left in the hands of fallible men or groups.
KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA The cause is clear. Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. But Im pretty sure we can agree that If I showed up to your Church naked i would probably not be allowed in. Corrections? 74. Our Pastor teaches that Baptism does not save us and is no a requirement of salvation. I agree! One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! 5) shun folks that have left the church We are not under law, but under grace. For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. That coupled with your seeming lack of spiritual maturity will make for an interesting combination. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians?